Margaret Hunter Scarr and her husband farmed the land around Ease Gill and Bull Pot of the Witches between 1958 and 1968. She came into frequent contact with cavers whilst living at Gale Garth, and this interview casts a fascinating light on the relationship between farmers and cavers. In particular she soon became aware of the cowboy element in caving, and in 1960 together with the RRCPC, established an access system for the caves, with herself acting on standby and call-out duties. Margaret remembers with real emotion the death of Alan Clegg in the Lancaster Hole downstream sump in 1964, and she remembers the damage caused during the Pegleg Pot rescue in 1962. But she also remembers the time when she was taken down Lancaster Hole all the way to the sump by the Red Rose, which was when she first appreciated what it is that motivates cavers. This is a lovely interview.